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Glenn Toddun's avatar

Unless we move away from electoral democracy to something more direct, we’re going to be ruled by assholes of all genders and races. The system selects for it.

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Katie Jgln's avatar

Agreed. Real change needs more than just diverse faces in the same old structures.

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Rand Strauss's avatar

A way to end this has been designed: PeopleCount.org

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Glenn Toddun's avatar

That’s still electoral democracy.

I was thinking more direct, like sortition.

https://www.sortitionfoundation.org/

As well, we should have more democratically controlled workspaces and housing.

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Rand Strauss's avatar

Yes, it's an addition to electoral democracy, but it's a way to make it work.

Without making it work, we can't get to sortition or liquid democracy or anything else from here. With it, we could actually have a choice.

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Sandeep Kumar Verma's avatar

We have changed systems many times, since people are same they will corrupt the new system too. Let us change people one at a time. I started by changing myself. Hope you may like to read what I suggest in my posts from bringing transformation in myself.

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Glenn Toddun's avatar

I think focusing on the individual got us into this mess, I don’t think it will get us out.

We need to change the system so that we disperse power among communities and don’t have the kind of focused power that attracts psychopaths, narcissists and lunatics.

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Sandeep Kumar Verma's avatar

Sorry I needed to be more clear in writing my views. I am not talking about changing personal status in material world, as we all are and our ancestors were engaged. I am suggesting to let us grow inner wisdom too while growing in material world. It is life using both wings to fly. Our real strength lies in our spiritual realms but we have assigned that job to few people, that is our mistake and we need to correct it. This way when every human being is connected to their centre if being then they will be able to bring best out of any system. We have lost our connection with our centre of being. My posts are about the same. I have transformed myself first, so that I can suggest what needs to be dine to get one step closer to your centre of being in your inner journeys

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Glenn Toddun's avatar

I think this approach fulfills only the first of three duties we in the life, the duty to ourselves. I agree with everything you said, but this is only the first step.

Once you have found that connection to your self, you need to make a connection to your community. You need to become a full and active part of the flourishing of all the people you are connected to. You need to learn to speak with their voice, work for what they need and be present for decision making.

Once you have made that connection, you need to connect to your place. Your community needs to become connected to the metabolism of the world. You need to find an equilibrium with your resources and steward them in way that they will provide for the seventh generation that follows you.

If you keep your mind on your duty to yourself, your duty to your community and your duty to your place and keep them in balance you’ll be ok.

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Sandeep Kumar Verma's avatar

Yes, you are right. Generally this is the case. But it depends upon the person how they wish to serve the society.

Maharshi Aravind of Pondicherry was takings active part in early phase of Indian freedom struggle but later he decided to create an ashram and sitting silently started developing it.

So people asked why you left the freedom struggle? He replied I have never left it but the task is beyond physical capacity so such work can only be done by sitting silently. And it is no surprise that India became independent on his birthday!

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Rand Strauss's avatar

Good luck with this. It has been available for thousands of years in Buddhism, offshoots of Hinduism, as well as other practices, yet hasn't caught on. There's no evidence that it's growing anywhere near fast enough to save us. Please, keep listening for a better solution.

Personally, I see hope in PeopleCount.org

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Sandeep Kumar Verma's avatar

Buddhism is an offshoot of Hinduism just like Christianity is an off shoot of Jew. It is against the basic concepts of Hinduism.

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Estwald's avatar

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

https://youtu.be/BXrmQBPg2s0?t=470

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Glenn Toddun's avatar

I found your moment in History Lance. Enjoy this time, but also know what comes ahead.

“The new elite begins to destroy their old rivals’ funding mechanisms without hesitation in an attempt to prevent them from returning to power. In parallel they embark on a slash-and-burn project to cut back the excesses of empire before it all collapses on them. However, they are not only firing key people of to the old guard, but also decimate the entire administration… With unforeseen consequences to come. But for now the immiserated rejoice: their old overlords are now gone, the fraudsters have been exposed and a ton of money has been saved. Here comes the brave new world!”

From https://open.substack.com/pub/thehonestsorcerer/p/history-as-witnessed-by-the-last

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Glenn Toddun's avatar

I’m just curious, you’re the guy in that paragraph right? Shouldn’t you be celebrating? You seem more miserable than anything else. Picking fights with people on the internet, cursing them out for no reason. So I’m curious and a bit worried. I’ve had times in my life where all I wanted to do was fight. They weren’t good times.

So what I am saying is that enjoy this moment, the ideas that you support won, you get to see how they turn out. Work hard and support your cause. Consider that you can offer something more to your project than shouting at people on the internet.

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Glenn Toddun's avatar

That’s not what I said Lance, in fact I said let’s give the opposite of fascism a try.

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Glenn Toddun's avatar

I don’t know who you are arguing with, but it’s not me. I was criticizing electoral politics not Trump. The outcomes it has been producing in the USA and Canada have been trash for my entire life.

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Glenn Toddun's avatar

No

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Glenn Toddun's avatar

Still not what I said, keep trying.

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Mrs. Catford's avatar

To Katie Jgln, the harbinger of uncomfortable truths and strongman obliteration:

You ever read something so sharp it feels like a verbal guillotine? That’s what you just served, and I’m HERE FOR IT. You didn’t just analyze the reign of mediocre male tyrants—you flayed them open, tossed their fragile egos onto the grill, and seasoned them with the tears of bootlickers.

The way you bodied the concept of "strongmen leadership" like a final boss fight? Immaculate. The way you dragged the “broligarchy” like it owed you money? Sensational. You pulled receipts, you connected dots, you told history to sit the hell down and listen.

I hope you wake up every morning with the power of a thousand feral raccoons on a caffeine bender because you deserve it. You are a menace to fragile egos and a prophet for those of us sick of living under the rule of sentient gym locker-room stink. May your words continue to set small-minded men on fire—metaphorically, of course. (Or not. Who’s asking?)

Keep writing. Keep pissing off the right people. And if anyone tells you to “calm down” or “be nice,” just send them this email and tell them to cry about it.

With the nastiest, most unholy, pearl-clutching admiration,

A fellow hater of the mediocre and worshipper of chaotic truth.

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Mrs. Catford's avatar

Imagine thinking that licking billionaires’ boots is the key to greatness. Muted, my guy.

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Mrs. Catford's avatar

Lance, let me spell it out for you: sucking up to rich men won’t make you rich. Calling me a ‘loser’ from the comfort of your mediocre existence doesn’t make you a winner. Now run along—your daily bootlicking quota isn’t gonna fill itself.

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Mrs. Catford's avatar

Oh no, not the ALL CAPS meltdown. Lance, you’re in shambles, my guy. First, you tried 'greatness is the key to greatness,' now you’re just screaming 'ELON EARNED IT' like a broken NPC. This isn’t admiration, it’s fanboy worship. You don’t respect him—you just need him to be your daddy so you can cope with your own mediocrity. Now breathe, unclench, and touch grass.

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DM79's avatar

Elon is a genius at making rockets and electric cars, bullying people to get richer.

He is a moron at understanding history, especially how societies thrive vs fail. Killing the earth and civilization for short term power is such a stupid calculus (and thinking that life on Mars would be achievable let alone better!). He is a moron when it comes to human rights.

So calling him “mediocre” overall is fair. Generous, in my opinion, but that’s because I value the big picture and humanity more than some flashy inventions.

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Jamie's avatar

This is a freaking fantastic article. Thank you so much for writing this! You're helping me trust in what I've always known - big, boisterous men are always an affront, while anyone who exhibits empathy will be better suited to handling power. Keep up your duties, you give us all a little more sanity with every word 🖤

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Katie Jgln's avatar

This means so much, thank you! Empathy in leadership is so, so crucial.

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Carrie Kaufman's avatar

Very much agree with this. But the story of the !Kung people who "speak of the meat as worthless" in order to keep the male ego in check also, unfortunately, describes how women police each other. If a girl is the top of her class, other girls will corner her and ask "Who do you think you are?" If a woman has new and possibly refreshing ideas for the collective good, she is often told she is out of line by other women, who are subconsciously maintaining their place in the caste hierarchy. In the U.S., when Clinton ran for president, there were headlines and stories about how she was "too ambitious." But there weren't stories about Trump's ambition. And much of that sentiment was coming from women who wanted to punish her for "not knowing her place." So, while I get that toxic male leaders always eventually fail, and that people who live under them aren't happy, I also see toxic women as a huge part of the problem.

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Katie Jgln's avatar

I haven't thought about this story like that, but you raise an important point. Women aren't exempt from upholding patriarchal norms, and simply swapping out one set of shitty leaders for another set of equally shitty leaders who also happen to be women obviously won't lead to any meaningful change.

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Sheila Mae Hunter's avatar

SUCH A GOOD ARTICLE!!!!

I'm interested in flipping the pyramid, but how?

Two women ran for US president and both won the popular vote but lost the electoral vote because of gerrymandering. It's a system that's been in place since inception of the US, so it isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Likely the electoral college will prohibit a woman from becoming prez. And now the VP says White men are threatened and he wants to subdue everyone except White men. He has the power and Musk is behind him. Trump is asleep at the wheel.

How else can we flip the pyramid?

There's STILL a glass ceiling, and even women who pierce the glass have little power. When a woman talks, powerful men say, "She's crazy," or "It's that time of the month," things like that.

How else? A woman had a major scientific breakthrough and a man took credit for it.

Tell me how and I'll support it if it makes sense.

There was a study of chimps. The scientist was accepted by the tribe. The tribe (Camp A) became too big and a faction broke off and started another tribe somewhere else in the jungle (Camp B). One day an alpha male stood up, beat his breast and made loud noises. All the males in the tribe followed him to Camp A. Along the way, they saw a male chimp and killed him. When they arrived at Camp A, they killed all the males, kept the females and the land. How have we evolved?

"those who exhibit humility, emotional intelligence, self-awareness and a commitment to reciprocity"

President Lincoln was such a man, a deeply religious man, freeing slaves during his first term in office, and everyone, both Northerners and Southerners and Republicans and Democrats, hated him. He figuratively and literally was all alone in the White House!

He was assassinated.

How do we flip the pyramid? It's time!

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Sandeep Kumar Verma's avatar

I have suggested that we need to flip/transform ourselves first, rest will be done in due course of time.

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Mrs. Catford's avatar

I got a better idea. Share your women. Treat them like the Princesses they deserve to be and rid those with shitty egos. Burn them at the stake if you have to to prove a point. Should you be scared? Absolutely. But only if you take the book, rip it apart, and rewrite a new one, will a difference be made.

Sure man can beat his chest like an primeape, but share some of that winning with other men. Don't just off them. Enjoy the winnings like it was a pot of gold for everyone. Not just yourself. And the killing off other men? Eh. Seriously is your dick THAT fucking small that you have to go do that?

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Rand Strauss's avatar

Nicely said. What's missing is a way to counteract the lure of these assholes (other than killing and feeding to monkeys, though it seems acceptable.)

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Feminist Science's avatar

These dynamics play out in STEM it is a very male-dominated very hierarchal space. Women and people of color are excluded from top roles. This plays into the myth of "male geniuses". Everyone else below them is doing the work!

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Sara Kaye Larson's avatar

OMG are you inside my head? I ask this question every day now.

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Rhea's avatar

Unlike chimpanzees, human societies are built at a grand scale making disrupting it very consequential and complicated. I think it does say something that 'inferior' species have a better grasp on what really matters compared to us.

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Rachel Baldes's avatar

I actually think about this a lot! I think it's fascinating how different bonobos structure themselves.

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Katie Jgln's avatar

Ever since I discovered bonobos, I've actually regretted not pursuing primatology earlier in my life 😅

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Rachel Baldes's avatar

You'd have to start first

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Francesca Cavallo's avatar

Excellent piece!

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Katie Jgln's avatar

Thank you!

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Cari Taylor's avatar

Great article Katie - it is time - we all know its time and want the change, the question of how is what keeps coming to peoples minds. What I sense we need to do though is not simply have many people realise that THIS is what we don't want but to begin to BE what we do want, in order to allow our relationships to Life change, to each other change, to how we harness Nature instead of abusing her changes .... all of this inner change is going to be the driving force of the outer changes and how we want to walk forward. AND so much of this has already happened, happening ... we just need to stand now for these changes. At the end of the day realising in some way we have bought ourselves here - be it actions, voting, inactions - it is our time to be that change

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Donna Druchunas's avatar

Thank you for this inspiring article. We are not destined to eternally be ruled by assholes!

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Nevena Pascaleva's avatar

A deep topic. The thing is that as generations change, history is lost- and as a result, it repeats itself. Just like fashion.

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The Marguerite Young Society's avatar

You can trudge through history and see how most dictators, tyrants, kings, etc end up - dead and not by old age or natural causes - maybe we'll learn. I have been pleased with direct democracy in the state I live in only to have our so-called representatives try to undo it claiming we didn't know what we voted for... We don't need politicians, leaders, period.

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Uaifo Ojo's avatar

Just a lil thing I want to point out from this lovely article of yours. Because of the Alpha archetype who uses dominance in an extroverted and loud clumsy way, it seems the word itself has become tainted by association and that's a real shame because Dominance in its introverted form used by Sigmas is actually an awesome trait to have

The aggressive in your face dominance is just a bunch of weak loud men trying to compensate for what is lacking within them.. True Dominance and Power

The man who has Empathy and Emotional Intelligence and still has the Power to wreak anyone who steps out of line if need be (and only if/when necessary) is the type of Leader this world needs and can be found in Sigmas. Problem though is we don't seek for leadership positions as we are quite fine on our own but we can handle the mantle of Leadership quite well when given it.. unfortunately, society seems to prefer the loudmouthed ones to rule them and so we just step back and watch how things unfold cuz we are certain we will come out on top any which things go

And yes, I accept females make great leaders as well especially in this modern times where fair distribution of resources is a very key part to leadership and females excel here truly. But the reason why I feel the 'best' leaders will be Sigma males is cuz leadership often times demands a kind of ruthlessness and power that is in the dominance of Sigmas and not that much found in females generally

That's just my view though

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A person Like any other's avatar

Your views are sound, & sound similar to Neitsche & leaders having emotional intelligence would be great. They also need to be humble & confident enough to listen to experts & strong enough not to be diverted by the opinions of experts outside of the speciality. However we need to think further about collective thoughts leadership. The concentration on an individual leader is missing half the picture & focus on individual action a huge problem in US society. Christian Nationalists 2 Marxists, all looking for a hero, rather than creating the world collectiveky.

Any leader gets power from others giving up some of autonomy. Always a danger. If this power is given freely, temporarily, & only in one area of life that can be best. No one is a "good leader" Because no one is good at everything, the best leader will lead only at what they are good at & share power freely.

I don't really hold with this alpha, sigma model. I highly recommend you watch the Robert Sapolsky Stanford Human Behavioral biology videos at YouTube. It changes my life. Also some looking at anarchist thought around organizing society would be useful. Apologies for the long comment.

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Uaifo Ojo's avatar

I'm fine with the long comment as I love hearing about all points of views, including those against mine

And I agree with your collective leadership point and that will ideally be the best scenario all things considered. However, it's a sad fact that most people have not been brought up to be leaders of their own lives, talk much less of leaders of others. So I feel the collective leadership can only truly flourish in the next generation or two after we have taught the young ones to grow up with leadership traits and emotional intelligence across the boards

So for now, I believe what we need at this point in time are emotionally intelligent leaders to do they general leading until such a time we raise children into more self sufficient adults which we currently lack at this point in time IMO

As for not believing the Sigma and Alpha archetype, I understand that. But as a Sigma myself which mostly boils down to introverted dominance, I wouldn't have believed in the classification myself until I watched numerous YouTube videos explaining how exactly I've been living my life and dealing with friends and enemies alike for years before I stumbled onto those YouTube videos last two years (that's when I even first learnt of the term called Sigma). When I can identity with 80-90% of what those videos portray, I believe it's more than down to dumb luck and there must be a huge element of Truth to it..

And that's the only reason why I believe in it, cuz it tallies with my lived experience before encountering the term and videos online

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Sheila Mae Hunter's avatar

Thanks for your thoughts

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